Monsieur Cupid: Dating Online. The Top Players.

August 19, 2008 by datinggazetteer

A recent article in TIME Magazine online once more convinced me of the point that continuing growth of online dating community and online dating itself as a social phenomenon (and an industry) is still a long way from slowing down. Data are interesting besides the fact that we rarely read about online dating in editions of TIME ’s level.

But I would preface this with a pic from another leading newspaper The NYT

Leading Online Dating Sites Popularity

Leading Online Dating Sites Popularity

On the other hand it is interesting to see how different leading editions are used as promoting place for the leading online dating sites (it is too hard to me to believe any of such respected editions to misrepresent the facts concerning popularity statistics of leading online dating sites).

Monsieur Cupid: Dating Online

Armelle met her Prince Charming on Meetic, Europe’s largest dating site, shortly after it opened for business in France in 2001. She divorced him in 2006. She and the prince — his name is Eric — are still good friends, and they’re both hanging out on Meetic again (we’ve used their real names to protect their online identities). “I’m always looking for Prince Charming, and I’ve already met several,” says the slight, dark-eyed, 38-year-old Parisienne, who works in production for one of the big fashion houses. “Some of them become friends, some of them become lovers. None of them will ever become my husband; I’m no longer looking for that.”

Barry Diller’s Match.com is the Internet dating world’s two-ton Cupid, dominating online romance in the U.S., where two-thirds of its 1.3 million paid subscribers live. Match is all business, and that business is landing a mate. On Meetic, the cyber chestnuts are always in blossom, and love is as much a game as a goal. In 2005, a French cad named Lewis Wingrove published a blog and later a book graphically cataloguing a year’s worth of Meetic conquests (52 dates, 27 of which finished “sous la couette” — under the quilt.) Meetic founder and chief executive Marc Simoncini went ballistic and briefly considered suing. The young women in Meetic’s modest office in Boulogne-Billancourt found the whole thing amusing and told Simoncini to lighten up. He now concedes that it’s some of the best publicity Meetic has ever had.

Meetic has clearly scratched an itch. More than 30 million people now have a free personal profile on one of its sites. Since the firm hit the dating scene in 2002, it’s picked up around 650,000 paying subscribers in 15 countries, and is the leading dating site in almost all of them. Last year, Meetic earned $36 million before taxes on revenues of $166 million — almost exclusively from subscription fees that range from $47 to $85 a month.

“When I looked around at the other dating sites, they were all so boring and sad,” says Simoncini, 45, a suave, slightly somber Frenchman. “I said, my site’s going to be much more fun. People aren’t going there to get married; they’re going to meet someone. Everyone hopes it’s The One, but if it isn’t, that’s maybe not so bad. Meetic is like a bar — the biggest bar in the world.”

Not that Simoncini was looking to become a bartender to the world. He had already founded an Internet portal called iFrance, and made a killing when he sold it to Vivendi for $200 million in 2000 amid a mad spending spree by then CEO Jean-Marie Messier.

A year working for Vivendi convinced Simoncini he wasn’t cut out for corporate life. At dinner with his three closest friends — all recently divorced — the light dawned. “They all complained they couldn’t meet anybody — they worked too hard, they didn’t go out anymore, they were too old,” recalls Simoncini, who met his wife the old-fashioned way: at a nightclub. “I said to myself, I don’t know that many people, so if I know three people like this, there must be millions.”

Growth was exponential, and Simoncini expanded rapidly beyond France, first conquering the Latin-lover markets of Spain and Italy, then turning toward the colder climes of northern Europe.

He learned a lot. It turns out that in love, everybody’s the same, but different. For instance, Meetic’s advertising theme, “The rules of the game have changed,” worked brilliantly in France, but bombed in Italy, where courtship rituals remain more traditional. Speak to an Italian man about women making the first move, says Simoncini, and he “doesn’t even understand what you’re talking about.”

In Denmark, there were howls of protest that women got to use the site gratis — and it was women who were doing the howling. “They said, ‘What exactly are you getting at, making it free for women!’ ” says Simoncini with an I-don’t-get-it shrug. “We said, Excuse us — we’ll bill you.” Since last year, women pay everywhere.

England? Who knows. For one thing, it’s the only country where historically more women than men pay for dating sites. “England’s a mystery,” says Simoncini. “We’re not sure if they’re American or European.”

The marketplace may clarify that mystery as Meetic and Match do battle for the English heart. Match.com does a big chunk of its European business in the U.K., where it’s in a dead heat with Meetic. Last year, Meetic acquired a large British site called Dating Direct as part of a new frontal assault on its chief competitor. Still, Match CEO Thomas Enraght-Moony claims he’s not threatened by his rival in love: “Match is about people looking for an enduring relationship. It’s a more poetic, romantic sensibility. Meetic is a lot more casual. It’s a different proposition.” Simoncini says bring it on: “Now we’ll see who the English really are!”

Meetic may be flighty in matters of the heart, but it’s serious when it comes to business. Nielsen Media Research rated it the U.K.’s biggest Web advertiser in the first four months of 2008. Elsewhere, Meetic was similarly aggressive, buying a big dating site in Germany last year, as well as sites in the Netherlands, China and Brazil.

Simoncini is also moving beyond the dating game by launching two new media portals. VIOO is a kind of online women’s magazine, while PEEXME is a social networking site for adolescents. The idea is to use Meetic to cross-promote the new sites, hopefully snaring some of the heavy traffic that flows through it toll-free.

The reasoning is sound and Meetic has committed at least $15.5 million to strategic endeavors like these. But while the French love a lover, they’re less enamored of entrepreneurs. Meetic’s stock price has halved since last January, slashing its market value to $280 million — quite a haircut for Simoncini, who owns nearly a third of the company. “It’s far and away the worst side of France — they’re always telling you that whatever you do, it won’t work,” he says. “I’m sad for everyone who’s lost money, but I’m not going to let it stop me from doing what I think is right — after all, it’s my money in there too.”

It’s hard to figure out why the Bourse is pouting. Revenues rose 21% to $98 million in the first half of 2008, though high marketing costs cut operating margins to 7%. “They’re just not getting the benefit of the doubt, and they should,” says Trion Reid, who follows Meetic for brokerage firm Jefferies International Ltd.

Simoncini has learned the hard way that while it’s fun to play Cupid, playing publicly held Cupid is another thing altogether. “I used to get 10 e-mails a day from people thanking me for helping them find someone, and it was extraordinary — it made me want to get up in the morning,” he says. “Now I forget all about that and all I think about is profitability. It doesn’t make me happy at all.”

Who’s Looking for Younger Love Partners? Online Dating Shows

July 24, 2008 by datinggazetteer

Did you ever wonder about what (some) older women and men want, and what they pursue in their online dating efforts? Online dating services say something countable on this.

But: Does this (Washington) Post story discover something, or it fulfils some other task (online dating and brand advertising, image shifting, readers satisfaction) to more extent? — Leave a comment >>

It's a Match Made in Cyberspace

Older Woman, Younger Man -- The Washington Post

Older Woman, Younger Man:
It’s a Match Made in Cyberspace

What do older women want?

Younger men.

Online dating services say women of a certain age want the white-haired gent, as long as he’s not too old. Women age 50 and older almost always tell eHarmony.com that they want a younger man — 10, 15 years younger, sometimes more. And on Match.com, a 50-year-old woman is typically seeking a man who is 48.

“This is going to surprise you,” says Craig Wax, senior vice president and general manager of Match.com North America. “It’s the woman who is going for the younger guy.”

Women have come a long way. Going for the younger guy is perhaps yet another triumph for the women’s movement, which has broken down barriers between the sexes and pushed for equal opportunity in all spheres of life. The change is buttressed by the new biology of aging. Women, according to calculations based on mortality risk, are five years “younger” than men the same age. The 65-year-old woman is the biological equivalent of a 60-year-old man. So it’s sensible, not just fanciful, for a woman to look for a younger guy.
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But there’s a problem: The men don’t get it. They are stuck in the old biology of aging. They, too, are looking for younger partners. On eHarmony.com, men 50 and older are seeking women who are six to 26 years younger. On Match.com, the average 56-year-old man is looking for a 54-year-old woman. Seems reasonable, but by the time he reaches 70, he wants a 58-year-old woman.

Gender equality in the search for younger partners is creating a mating gap in gray love. A 70-year-old woman is looking for a 66-year-old man. The 65-year-old man is looking for the 54-year-old woman. And a 56-year-old woman is looking for a man who is 46! How does anybody hook up in later life with these wide differences in what men and women want?

Fortunately, age is not the most important issue in a relationship. At eHarmony, members are matched according to psychological profile and personality characteristics. What are your values? Are you an extrovert? Are you open to new experiences, or do you prefer to stick with what you know?

“The process of developing a successful relationship is the same whether someone is in the 20s or 80s. People do better if they are matched with those who are similar to them on important dimensions,” says psychologist Galen Buckwalter, chief scientist at eHarmony.com. “Age, in and of itself, is not a factor in compatibility.”

When two people find common ground in their values, interests and personality traits, “there is less need to negotiate differences. A lot less emotional wear and tear,” Buckwalter says. There’s “an implicit level of understanding.”

There is also a difference in what people say they want and what they end up finding. On eHarmony, members are encouraged to report when they are dating seriously or are getting married. Of those who share their success stories, nearly one in four involves a partner age 50 or older.

For women with such success stories, the typical age gap between them and their new partner is plus or minus four years, whether they’re in their 40s, 50s, 60s or 70s. For men, the gap inches upward from plus or minus four years at age 40 to plus or minus six years at age 60. That’s a narrower range than what members list as their initial preference.

“Everyone would like to find someone smarter, better-looking, wealthier . . . and sure, younger. Why wouldn’t you start there?” says Wax of Match.com. But once you see who is out there, “you’re willing to make a number of different trade-offs. In the end, it doesn’t matter what a person’s age is. It matters how well they connect.”

Newlyweds Ruth Johnson-Mullis, 85, and Leonard M. Mullis, nearly 87, of Littleton, Colo., met on Match.com. Both had been widowed. Each said they weren’t interested in marriage but wanted “someone to have dinner with,” Johnson-Mullis says. She had a hard time at first with online dating: She e-mailed eight or 10 men and never got a reply. They were all looking for women in their 60s and 70s, she says. “Who wants an 84-year-old woman?”

“I did,” Mullis says. He had to drive up into the mountains to meet her. There were no restaurants, so she made him lunch. “From that point on, I was a dead duck,” he says. After a three-month courtship, they married. “At my age, I don’t believe in long engagements. No use fooling around.”

They have much in common. Both grew up in Florida. They lived through World War II. Both are in good health and go to exercise class twice a week. “We were raised in the same manner. We were raised in the same era. We have so much to talk about,” Johnson-Mullis says. And both had long first marriages.

Experience is an asset in late-life mating. As Johnson-Mullis says, “If a man stays with a woman for 59 years, he’s not going to run away from me if I’m not perfect.”

——– Original story: By Abigail Trafford, The Washington Post, Tuesday, July 22, 2008;

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Image of Online Dating

July 23, 2008 by datinggazetteer

Welcome to my blog.

This is my 1-st post here. I would be grateful to you for your comments and opinions.

What image do people have about online dating?

Keaton tries to find an online dating site, but gets stuck on an internet porn site instead.

Keaton tries to find an online dating site, but gets stuck on an internet porn site instead.

What image do people have about online dating?

Today’s post will start with one 2007 movie.
A friend of mine reminded me about it in our today’s conversation.

The movie is Because I Said So (2007), starring brilliant Diane Keaton and beautiful and sexy Mandy Moore. I’m not their fan, and there’s nothing terribly unique, but as to me it is overall good and entertaining.

I don’t intend to discuss the writing and the play.

We remembered about the film mainly because of internet dating presentation (especially AdultFriendFinder online dating site) there, with Diane Keaton as a neurotic control mother who spends most of her time obsessing over the romantic attempts of her daughter (Moore), going so far as to post an ad on an internet dating site seeking out prospective husbands for the quite unsuspecting girl.

Keaton tries to find an online dating site, but gets stuck on an internet porn site instead. It gets worse, because Keaton can’t figure out how to get off the page. She hits buttons, throws a blanket over the monitor, and calls tech support, with the streaming porn audio at full volume.. this is a comedy, by the way.

But I think here is the point. Let’s ask what someone imagines and what does s/he know about online dating .

  • How do most people imagine online dating?
  • How many of them have personal experience in online dating?
  • And how many of them someway succeed in dating, and what is it in comparison to ‘traditional’ dating?

The image of internet dating is driven by news stories in many respects. Examples are plentiful.

The facts are only known from authority reports and studies.

I’ll now try to find the facts accessible to a general audience and compile/present them into my next post here.

Have a nice time.
Thank you for reading my blog.